Soru How to Start Learning Makam Music as a New Begginner

[IndianMakamLover@23]

Good Afternoon,
I am a Indian Student who is learning Western Violin for 3 Years. Recently i have been Entralled by Turkish Classical Music and Folk Music, I wanted to learn how to play them on the Violin but i cannot find proper Guidance on how to play these Pieces. I only know the Western Notation and am very confused upoun seeing the Microtonal Intervals. I have been stuck on learning as i cannot find a proper explanation as many of the Pieces arre for Oud or Ney etc. I am confused on how to apply them to Violin.
Can anyone help in this regard. Basically how should i start learning Makam as a Western Violinist? Where should i start?

 

[hamshetsi]

Good Afternoon,
I am a Indian Student who is learning Western Violin for 3 Years. Recently i have been Entralled by Turkish Classical Music and Folk Music, I wanted to learn how to play them on the Violin but i cannot find proper Guidance on how to play these Pieces. I only know the Western Notation and am very confused upoun seeing the Microtonal Intervals. I have been stuck on learning as i cannot find a proper explanation as many of the Pieces arre for Oud or Ney etc. I am confused on how to apply them to Violin.
Can anyone help in this regard. Basically how should i start learning Makam as a Western Violinist? Where should i start?

Greetings! Without being able to properly answer your question, I'm still curious about an apparent overlap / sharing between music of India and Asia Minor, specially when comparing makams to ragas. I was under impression that both traditions make a heavy use of microtones, is that not the case?

 

[IndianMakamLover@23]

Yes, The Indian Ragas does use Microtones, However I am not a Indian Musician though - if i was maybe it would been easier to learn Makam

 

[Sadikkara]

Memorize classical pieces, listen to them carefully. Its not played as its in the note sheet but, the backwards bemol are usually played lower in uşşak huseyni etc.. and sharp's are moving . So just listen carefully start with easy pieces, listen from gpod masters. Like necdet yaşar-niyazi sayın-ihsan özgen. Search for good musicians. If possible start getting lessons with a tutor for Turkish Music.

 

[IndianMakamLover@23]

Thank you - Which are some Easy Pieces i should start with? Can you give some suggestions

 

[woaigongzuo400]

Start from listening, not from a Western transcription. For the first month I would pick one short süzidil or hüzzam phrase, loop the same recording, and only then look at the nota. The comma-level accidentals will keep disappearing if you try to map them onto a three-year violin fingering chart first.
On the violin, treat the first-finger whole-tone as movable. Play the same tetrachord against a drone (tanbur or a cheap keyboard hold) until the hanging note feels like home. That is usually faster than hunting for a teacher who can already switch between Hindustani and Ottoman intonation.
When the only score you have is a dim phone photo of a printed page, I flatten the lighting on that still frame with image to image ai so the koma marks stay readable next to the recording. It does not teach the makam; it just keeps the paper from lying to you while you listen.
If you post which recording you are looping, people here can tell you whether that particular seyir is even friendly for a Western-trained left hand.

 

[Sadikkara]

Easy ones would be ,

1) Emin dede - Bayati peşrev
2) Yusuf Paşa - Segah Peşrev
Still you need to know the basics, which sounds are microtonal and accordingly not play like a western tempered version. For segah, B is the tonic and its also microtonally lower etc.